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March/April 1997

Finding the work you love

An interview with Laurence Boldt

By Ravi Dykema

"Blessed is he who has found his work. Let him ask no other blessing."

If, as Thomas Carlyle says, work is the key to a full life, how in this corporate, commercial, material age do we unlock that door?

By finding work that offers us integrity, service, enjoyment and excellence, says Laurence G. Boldt, author of Zen and the Art of Making a Living and, more recently, How to Find the Work You Love. It is possible to find work that fulfills - and stay financially sound at the same time, says Boldt.

Based in the San Francisco area, Boldt has been able to follow his own dream through his work. As a career counselor, he has developed the idea, over time, that work is art and that "it's deeply linked to our sense of who we are and our relationship to the universe. For too long," he says, "work is something that people have compartmentalized. They have their values, their convictions, their ideas, and their work is often something separate." His own work is helping people integrate their spirituality or values with their everyday work to create a life of abundance on many levels.

Boldt, speaking with NEXUS publisher Ravi Dykema, told a story of meeting a man and asking him if he was afraid to die. The man said, "No, death isn't anything to be afraid of if you live first." Through meaningful work, we can live, rather than just survive.

RD: The argument that is so often made by those who are not doing what they would like to do is that they must provide for a family or a future family. Then, too, their self-esteem, becomes wrapped up in their income. And if they end up in a profession that earns a lot, they can't conceive of making less to do something they love. So many think that circumstances require that their job be a practical, rather than heart consideration. What do you say to such people?

LB: I think that people who find something they love, typically, in the long run do come out at least as well financially. In fact there was a 20-year-study that looked at how people succeed and it turned out that people who made the most money were people who found something they really loved to do and stuck with it. That may not be the case in every field and it may not be the case immediately for everyone, but I think that everyone can take steps toward their dream. Most people can find 10, 12 hours a week if they really want to, to learn about something new or to take classes. The first step is being clear about what you'd love to do and then to make a strategy, a plan for making the transition. People make those transitions all the time, and people are doing the work they love all the time. There are hundreds of thousands of people who do it every single day. And I think that more and more people expect that of their work.

RD: How do you translate your passion for what you love into a profession?

LB: After identifying the thing that you love to do and feeling that passion you need to effectively market yourself. And a big part of marketing themselves, for a lot of people, is just accepting that. They have to. You might say, "I wish this wasn't such a commercial culture." But it is the way it is. And accepting that takes gumption. It takes fighting for what you believe in because the marketplace in a sense is a battle. You're fighting for what you believe in. You're fighting for the passion. You're fighting for it in the marketplace.

RD: You write in your book, "With your own power the battle begins. You slay the dragons of doubt, you vanquish the notion of settling for less than your best, and then you fight for yourself in the marketplace."

LB: In other words, the first battle is within yourself. Do I think I can do this? Am I able to make this work? Have I won that battle?

I write about the four voices of doubt. One is the voice of gloom and doom. that's the idea that I can't really do what I want to do and make a living at it. Better not think about it. The next I call the voice of conformity: Since so many people are unhappy in their work, if someone says, "I would really love to do this," they're likely to get a lot of negative feedback. they're likely to hear, "Gee, you can't do that. Who do you think you are? None of the rest of us is that happy anyway. You might as well just forget about that and stay in line." The next voice of doubt I call the voice of self-diminishment that says, "Am I good enough? Can I make it? Do I have the ability? If I want to write. If I want to paint. If I want to act. If I want to start a company, whatever. Do I have what it takes? Do I believe that I am good enough to do that?"

RD: Could it be that voice that would be comparing you viciously to all your competition?

LB: It would be. It is also helpful to have a realistic sense of the competition because you want to know where you are in the marketplace. But by the same token you must stay focused on how you can make your own work excellent. Finally, we have the voice of idle complaint, the general sense that the deck is stacked against me, the economy, society, Mercury in retrograde, whatever it is. there's something out there that's stopping me.

RD: The adversarial universe?

LB: Right.

RD: What's the antidote to those four voices of doubt?

LB: In an archetypal sense, the antidote is seeing yourself as the hero in respect to work, the one who goes on the quest. In other words, seeking what it is that you're looking for. You may not even be clear yet, but you're on this quest in the game of life's work. And I associate that with the magician, in other words, understanding that it is a game. Part of this element is seeing it as a game and being able to not take it so seriously. Take what you do seriously, do it well, do it with conviction, but have a certain perspective about not identifying yourself with that career role. What you want to do, what you want to express, what you want to share, that's what your work is about. When marketing yourself, your archetype is the lawyer, bringing in that kind of energy. This is a fight. If I want to do this thing that I love to do I'm going to have to fight for it. I'm going to have to say, "I want it. " I'm going to have to take the risks. A lot of people don't want to take risks because it hasn't been something they've ever done before. It hasn't become a habit for them. There are studies that show that children who spend more time playing end up with better survival skills and are more likely to succeed because in that play they are constantly taking risks. They are constantly creating things in their own minds and seeing how you can go from an idea to reality. If you look at your work and you say, " This is something I really care about," I mean, think of a mother with a child. If someone attacks or threatens her child, she is going to defend her child with this kind of warrior energy. It's the same when you have work you really love and you really care about. You are, I think, ready to fight for it and to work hard enough at it to make it succeed, to take the risk.

RD: In your book you discuss urges and passions that might bring people to different kinds of work, like conscience and compassion and a call to talent, a call to greatness. Tell me about those.

LB: I use the ISEE formula as an acronym for how to find the work you love: integrity, service, enjoyment and excellence. Integrity is the call of conscience; listening to your own voice and honoring it, listening to the inspiration that you get, the intuitions you have. The Dalai Lama said that the nature of the world today is that it's very difficult to be a good person. It's very difficult to keep in touch with conscience, to keep that channel open. But I think that's where your creative power comes from, it's coming from you. If you're hearing that inner voice telling you, "Do this, do that, do this, do that," you'll move on that.

Then comes the call of compassion. It is recognizing that we're all together on this planet. What is your part to play in this human family? What suffering do you want to serve? Or what aspirations are people having but not fulfilling?

RD: So how do we act upon what we hear from that inner voice?

LB: Encourage it! Too often people aren't encouraged to listen to their ideals. Every career has a game. In other words, it's going somewhere. You can play in that game as a vehicle to accomplish your goals. Say it's healing others. You may decide on the role of doctor, because of how the world would see you, and the healing skills you would learn. That's the difference between taking a career role, and we use the word role because it is one, and taking on that role to achieve some purpose. You need to have a sense of your own purpose and your own direction and not to lose yourself in your career, in the role.

RD: Tell me about the call of talent.

LB: Aristotle said, "Where your talents and the needs of the world cross, there lies your vocation." I think that's a good formula. Looking at what the world needs and then at what talents I have. What am I naturally good at? Each person has a different set of natural abilities and the more that we can pay attention to those, the less we will get lost in "what are my skills, what have I learned how to do?" We can be very competent in all kinds of things, but that's not necessarily using our real talent. We need to get in touch with what we as individuals are naturally good at. The Chinese have a saying, "The strong man can carry the heavy burden many miles without feeling tired. The skillful man can juggle many things without dropping the ball." Everybody likes to do things they're good at, whether it's sports or work or anything else.

RD: But even when I have been good at something and loved it, like my magazine in Wisconsin, I needed to sweat, and fail, to find out that I have ink in my blood, as we publishers say.

LB: I think that's a really important point. If someone says, "I want to be a writer," does that mean that you envision some kind of life style? You're going to write the best selling book and live in the Bahamas for the rest of the year? Or is it because you have to write because that's really you? Or do you want to be an actor because you want to be hanging out in Spago's or do you have to act? Is it in your blood? Is it something that is just a part of you? When you have that sort of commitment, something inside of you makes you stick with it because it is so much a part of you and you come back to it even though you are afraid. Something says "I have to do it."

RD: Some people reading this will say, "Yeah, I know what that is. I have this feeling. I have to train dogs." But a lot of people will say, "I wish I had such a passion about something." What do they do? How do they find that for themselves? Or is it absent in some people?

LB: If you've lost touch with that altogether, then probably you're having a hard time wanting anything passionately at all in life. It's not just in your work life. Something is being blocked, there was some kind of disappointment perhaps that the person experienced so they stopped wanting things or they stopped believing that they could have what they wanted. They think wanting brings pain, perhaps.

RD: Do you think someone can get their wanting back?

LB: Yes. I think it's surprising how many times people can identify a specific incident or a specific moment that's crystal clear in their minds, when something inside of them sort of shut down or quit. We're talking about getting back to that childlike, vulnerable space, in which you say "This is what I really want to do." For a lot of people that's scary because it's so risky. Other people might criticize them, they might put it out there and not be able to do it.

Some people can say, "Well, this is just my job and it doesn't have that much to do with me or my real life. It's just something I do every day." But if it's coming out of your passion, what you care about, it's much more vulnerable.

I think part of being an adult is determining your own expectations for your life. For so many, the expectations that we have for ourselves were given to us by somebody else. Our parents, our teachers, our guidance counselor, or whoever it was. We live someone else's expectations. And it's hard to rise higher than your expectations. If we want something but don't expect it, we probably aren't going to get it.

So the first step is to become aware of what your expectations are for your life. Then, if you realize that the ones that were given to you by others are not what you want, make your own and begin to associate with people who have those kinds of more positive expectations for their own lives. Perhaps you will need to disassociate yourself to some extent from people who have a more bleak outlook on things.

RD: So you're saying change your friends.

LB: Yes. Look at your own expectations, examine them and say, "Why don't I think I can do it? So and so can do it. Is there some real reason why or is this just a belief that I have about myself? Do I believe it's possible for me to be doing something I love and be supported by that? Because if I don't believe it, it isn't going to be possible." Even if you do believe it, it may be a whole lot of work. But if you don't have that expectation, it's virtually impossible.

Then learn about or talk to people who have made contributions in whatever field you are interested in. All the things that you have to deal with, they had to deal with, be they outer obstacles or inner ones, the doubts, the fears, the unclarity at times. Develop a sense of belongingness with those who have a sense of destiny about their lives or who are aspiring for excellence in whatever way.

RD: Give us a mini-course going from, "Now I know what I am passionate about, now I know what I can stay up all night and do," to "How will I find a job in that profession?"

LB: The first thing that I would do is to get a realistic sense of this passion of yours, to start thinking about it in terms of a career. They are not necessarily the same thing. That one passion could take a number of different routes.

Begin to look at different careers that will allow you to follow this path. Identify one that seems like the best vehicle for you. Find out what that career is really all about. Talk to people who are doing it. Get some first-hand experience of what's involved. Go to the library. Read about it. Learn about the kind of skills that are important. In other words, get a realistic sense of what this game is and then say, "Do I want to play it? Is this the best vehicle for me to follow in order to pursue my creative passion?"

If it is, look at what you need to learn. Plan. How long will it take you to make this transition? Are you in a position both emotionally, in terms of your skills, and perhaps financially to jump right in? Or will it take time? What do you have to do in the meantime? And then how will you market yourself? You may need to learn about starting your own business, working freelance, or how to aggressively search for a job.

RD: Looking ahead, do you think our society is moving toward work place fulfillment becoming a higher priority?

LB: I think rising expectations about work is a social movement. I think it's something that will continue on into the next century. Remember that there was a time when people didn't expect to marry someone they loved. There were Romeo and Juliet. Juliet was 13 years old. Her mother and father decided who she was going to marry. And there was no expectation that you would marry for love. And your profession was decided by your father, by heredity. Now I think we have a societal expectation that we can do something we love. More and more people are picking up on that, and they are paving the way for it to become in time a social norm, or the ideal. All of us have at least the ideal of marrying someone that we love. We may not do that, we may not live up to that, but it is at least the norm. And doing what you love in your work will be the same way.

 

 

 

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